I want to write much more, but due to exhaustion, I'll just recommend this youtube video: "The Heretical Submission Doctrine of Jimmy Evans & Joni Lamb." This addresses possibly the MOST dangerous teaching in "The Lord's Recovery" - Covering of, and Submission to, "Leaders" in the Church.... SO unscriptural, as explained in this precious video by Julie Roys.
This could literally be 100% directed at "Senior Co-workers" in "The Lord's Recovery."
I will expound much more on a different date, the Lord willing.
Still listening to it, and will likely write more and more notes...!
Saying "God will deal with a person..."?? How does God deal with people? He uses other people.
Men love darkness when their deeds are dark. They want to keep their deeds in darkness.
"The shaming that goes on of someone doing something righteous... We've been in situations where we're shamed for doing the right thing... Good and evil are absolutely switched here..." (Julie Roys)
"It's the system. It's systemic.... If you are in love with the system, you have lost the capacity to change it.... This is why Julie has so much to report." (Lance Ford)
Julie Roys has a lot to report in "The Lord's Recovery" if she has time and sees fit someday.
Oh... wow... around 52:30... a "must hear"...
Adding a few more very helpful notes on 12/6 -
Around 59:30 - You don't speak/say anything to a leader. Let God do it. This is the way so many churches operate. This is what senior leaders think about themselves and what their staff and board members are taught to believe.
"That would be a scary place to be. That would be a scary fellowship to be a part of, if you've got a leader that has that type of mindset, and you have the rest of team members who are following either under compunction, or are following because they actually believe it. That's very scary stuff." (Lance)
"Yes, and that is really the foundation for spiritual abuse." (Julie) "... even in the Old Testament, prophets could confront the king."
Around 57:00 - The ironic thing is these leaders are promoting idolatry. Don't listen to God. Listen to the "leader".
At another point (1:01), Julie Roys relates to this abuse: "I heard this: 'As a woman, you have to just trust and submit to the leadership. You are a woman so you don't have a voice. You don't say a thing. That is God's job.' ...Priesthood of ALL believers - we are supposed to speak when there is sin."
Again, this podcast 100% relates and applies to my experience in "The Lord's Recovery" - particularly in my latter years. Consider your ways, leaders. Are you expecting submission even against believers' consciences, calling them "rebellious" if they publicly disagree with sin and with sinful patterns?
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